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Post by cHr0mChIk on Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:10 pm

Hey guys!

I've heard some of you are vegetarians. I've been a vegetarian for almost 7 months now; and I have some questions for those who are vegetarian as well.

Why did you become a vegetarian?

For how long are you a vegetarian?

Do you have some health issues now (lack of vitamin B12; losing weight; frequent dizziness; always hungry;...)?

Or did you have health issues before and now you don't have them?

Did you become a vegetarian simply because you love animals, or it has to do with your health? or both?

My entire family and every single person I know is against me being a vegetarian. I still don't know anyone that supports me and everyone wants me to stop with that. Actually, there was one guy in a restaurant who, when he saw me ordering a vegetarian meal, asked me "Are you a vegetarian?" and i said "Yes!" and he replied "cool!" - that was only person that... i guess.. "supported" me... lol

Did you encounter similar things?
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Post by Evolution Master on Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:43 pm

Generally I do mostly eat vegetarian-based meals with the exception of eggs and the occasional fish/chicken in traditional meals. Perhaps certain sweets like cakes count too (with their inclusion of eggs)?

Regardless, my family does have a history of being vegetarians (my grandfather was actually an extreme vegetarian), and my parents are strict vegetarians for at least two or three specific days of the week due to my culture. I try to follow it too, but sometimes I kinda break the rule with eggs. Razz Though generally, I eat sandwiches, rice, and common meals such as pizza as opposed to the more meaty dishes.

I do like animals a lot and I do believe that the methods of how meat is obtained is still barbaric to this very day. Documentaries such as "From the farm to your fridge" is horrifying, honestly.... (if you're curious about this video, I suggest having an empty stomach - it's disturbing!).

Anyways, I don't have any health issues myself and I've adapted to this type of diet for a while now. Though that's not counting certain traditional dishes occasionally since fish is often found in many of the dishes my family eats. Despite that, I generally don't eat meals with a whole ton of meat in it.

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Post by Kirito on Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:44 am

Being a vegetarian is not bad at all. My mom is a vegetarian and like EM mentioned, I too have specific days where I only eat vegetables with rice, etc. Due to culture. But back to topic, being a vegetarian is good for weight loss and stuff. You won't see results right away but it will come. The only fall back on being a vegetarian is the certain nutrients u miss out. Protein for example is huge in meats, you need that for ur body to do anything. Rebuild muscle, give energy, etc. Since ur going to miss protein in ur diet by being a vegetarian, u will want to eats almonds and nuts that contain protein. I think their are alot more than just protein but do your research! Your body will be like what the hell is going on at first but it will adapt.

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Re: Vegetarian?

Post by Ospreyeagle on Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:34 pm

Why did you become a vegetarian? I SAW... DISTURBING IMAGES THAT MADE ME CRY AND NEARLY VOMIT. ;~; *retches*

Also, THIS: http://www.veganoutreach.org/cc.pdf

Imo, I'd much rather eat my own vomit than a turkey leg or chicken breast.

Some graphics I made:
Might not be for the faint of heart:







^Turkey chick being debeaked.

Essay/story of sorts:
Same as above:
Imagine if a race of aliens came to our Earth. Now, they love the taste of humans. They “breed” humans in order to serve them as food. Your mother and father are confined to a small room where their own purpose is to create babies. This is their only purpose, nothing else. You grow up; you’re raised in a small confinement where your friends and siblings are. You don’t get to go outside, or have fun. All you get to do is drink and eat – in this case – fatten up! The small room becomes crowded once you reach a certain age. You get your own growth hormones that make you age faster and cause you to become bigger. Sometimes, you might get an injection for some antibiotics. You don’t even get much medical care from the aliens.
Once you reach thirteen years old; well, you happened to be one of the humans aka “foods” the aliens want to eat. You see your siblings and friends are going to the slaughterhouse too. You’re scared and confused on the ship ride there. You’re so scared that you vomit, but the aliens don’t care. They only care about eating you.
Once you reach the slaughterhouse; you can smell death, organs and blood. The smell irritates you that you vomit again. The aliens laugh evilly, and hook you up to clamp. This clamp keeps you from moving. You’re scared because you can’t move! You start to struggle but you can’t! The aliens then fire a large gun into your head. You’re not dead yet, however; you’re barely conscious. You then are hooked up to some chains. Then this blade cut your throat. You bleed profusely. You want to cry and scream, but you can’t, because you can’t move. They then dip you in scalding water to get rid of your hair. It hurts, but then again, you can’t move! They then proceed to cut your limbs off. You can feel your limbs being cut off. It hurts so badly! They then cut into your sternum and take all your organs out. You eventually succumb to all the pain that you die a horrendous, horrible death.
And just like that, the ordeal is over. You’re just a bloody, skin-filled pulp on the floor of the slaughterhouse, only to be used for furniture and boots.
All for a “human drumstick” and “human wings”.

Pass this on if you hate meat as well.

Another story of sorts.:
[big][big]It was a typical day where I live - crowded, the normal smells of feces and ammonia. It stings my lungs. I can't breathe. There's no sunlight, no grass, no grasshoppers, no lizards, nothing good to eat, no birdsong, no stars, no trees, no flowers, not anything... Just a giant concrete walls...

I have no name, so I can't really introduce myself. I do live in a giant "shed", as humans call it - with about three hundred other chickens.

Yes, I am a chicken. The birds you typically see running around a backyard. I hear "backyards" are just a rumour of sorts, passed down from chicken to chicken. However, I am not able to do this. I'm trapped in one spot for hours at a time.

Sometimes, I don't even get to eat or drink. I sit and starve, unless another chicken lets me through, but it's so crowded that it's hard to do.

I didn't even get to have a mother or father to take care of me. I didn't hear the clucks of my mother hen. It was something that was passed down from chicken to chicken. I don't believe it. It cannot be true.

I can barely peck because the humans "debeaked" me. It was the most horrendous pain I had ever felt. It was a sharp stinging and burning sensation. Couldn't peck for a week because it hurt so much. Humans debeak us because they're afraid we'll peck each other. Hmm, I wonder why? Maybe it's because we're in a storage room of sorts.

Speaking of burning, that's what's happening to my lungs every time I breathe in. It's because of our feces. The humans don't even bother cleaning it up.

I hear a painful clucking right now. It's because someone's dying. Probably from either the smell or being trampled. I see the hen now. Her eyes are squeezed tightly. Her breathing is laboured. Suddenly, she makes one last breath, it sounds like "hhhhh...", it was a horrible noise... I hope I don't end up like her...

Dead.

Sometimes I wonder why I'm here. Why am I stuck in this place? Why am I not able to run around and eat insects and lizards? What is a lizard anyway? What is an insect?

I stared at my bedraggled plumage. My wings looked horrible. Other chickens said my vent was red and swollen. I wonder why... I bet it's because of the ammonia we have to live through...

-Some time has passed-

Though some time has passed; I thought I would be slim and able to run. Not true. I'm so big that I can barely move. My legs hurt. My heart beats too quickly. I'm in so much pain that I occasionally regurgitate whatever I just ate.

I can't move... I can't walk... Why?

I've heard other chickens speak of this type of human that heals, a vet... but no one has seen a vet yet... Why?

A door to the large building opens! I wonder what's going on? Several men walk in, grabbing my friends! They grabbed my friends by their legs, breaking them! They cry in pain but the men don't care!

I try to run but one of the men grabs me! I try to free myself but I can't! I try to peck the human, but it grabs my neck...

I get shoved into a smaller cage... We then get into this loud cage thing with wheels...

The cages full of chickens, including me. The men shut the giant doors of the loud wheeled cage.

It's dark and I can't see. I hear the other chickens scream in pain.

What is this wretched place?

Finally the doors open... The humans grab the cages and toss them onto the floor. The humans open the cages. I thought I would be free again, but that wasn't the case.

We were in a large shed again. I couldn't see that well. It was dim, like before the humans turn the lights off.

Humans started to grab me again. They flip me upside down. I was hooked up to a machine that held my legs. I tried to flap and escape, to no avail...

I didn't even see what was coming. Suddenly, I felt a sharp pain on my throat. I saw the blood drip from my neck. I gasped for air. I felt a second pain... A painful, scalding, burning sensation. The same as what I felt on my vent when I was in the shed. Except it wasn't that... this was scalding water! I was released from the water.... All of my feathers were gone...

This is when I took my last breath... The pain I endured, was gone. At last.


-A few weeks later-

He was sitting alone, eating chicken nuggets; when he felt something strange in it. "I-it's a chicken beak..." he stated quietly. He examined it. "Part of it... it's missing." He was scratching his head. "I outta look this up when I get home."

He finally arrived home. He grabbed his laptop and looked up "chicken missing part of beak." The third thing that came up was "Debeaking".

He looked at it, horrified. "Why... but..." He was confused. "I didn't know chickens were treated this way..." He then looked up chicken slaughter...

That is when he learned the truth. He couldn't hold the urge to vomit. He started crying. "But.... I had no idea..." He shuddered and continued to cry.

That's when he had an idea. He would convince his friends, too, to become vegetarian. He tried and tried, with no avail. They didn't care. They wanted to continue to eat whatever they wanted to. He gave up eventually. No one cared about his passion.

"Karma will get them," he muttered. "Maybe they'll learn the truth too."


THE END...
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“A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral.” ― Leo Tolstoy

“Animals are my friends...and I don't eat my friends.” ― George Bernard Shaw

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“A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral.” ― Leo Tolstoy

For how long are you a vegetarian? Since ninth grade, started weaning myself off it.

Do you have some health issues now (lack of vitamin B12; losing weight; frequent dizziness; always hungry;...)? Not sure. Sometimes I feel dizzy. Can get lots of vitamins from Ensures. They're delish.

Or did you have health issues before and now you don't have them? Morally, I feel a lot better, knowing I'm not eating an animal that was killed by the hands of HUMANS.

Did you become a vegetarian simply because you love animals, or it has to do with your health? or both? Morally and health-wise.

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Re: Vegetarian?

Post by Ospreyeagle on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:00 pm

UPDATE: I found an amazing video!


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Re: Vegetarian?

Post by Evolution Master on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:01 pm

That video really needs more public exposure...

Factory farming just needs to stop existing in such a large number in the future. Disgusting and just saddening really.

1/3 of the world's cereal/whole grain stock goes just to fattening these animals too. Definitely a loss on both ends really.

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Post by Ospreyeagle on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:06 pm

Definitely! Also, look at these disturbing facts:

What impact does factory farming have on the environment?

The U.N. has identified the livestock industry as one of the most significant contributors to today's most serious environmental problems, including loss of fresh water, rainforest destruction, air and water pollution, acid rain, soil erosion, loss of habitat and climate change.1

Australians eat on average 113.6 kg of meat per person per year.2 This is 2.67 times the global average of 42.5 kg per person 3.

Climate change

Livestock production is responsible for nearly one fifth of the world's greenhouse gas emissions - more than all the planes, trains and automobiles in the world combined.4 Clearing forest land to grow feed also destroys crucial carbon 'sinks' and releases gases previously stored in the soil and vegetation.

Pollution

Some large farms can produce more raw waste than the human population of a large US city. - US GAO 20085

A farm of 5,000 pigs produces as much waste as a town of 20,000 people. When this waste remains untreated, it can pollute soil, surface water, and even run off into oceans and pollute underground drinking water.6

Factory farming uses substantial amounts of pesticides and chemical fertilisers to produce enough feed, and these toxic substances often end up in waterways, polluting rivers and oceans.

Land

The clearing of land to make room for more crops to feed animals, particularly in Latin America and sub-Saharan Africa, is completely changing the landscape, with severe negative consequences. For example, current trends suggest that the agricultural expansion for grazing and crops in the Amazon will see as much as 40% of this important rainforest destroyed by 2050.7

Biodiversity
This clearing of land for animal feed is having a catastrophic effect on our planet's biodiversity, particularly in forest and tropical regions. According to scientists who studied the clearing of land for farming in the developing world between 1980 and 2000, intensive agriculture, rather than family farming, was the major reason for this loss of biodiversity.8

Water

Agriculture uses 70% of the planet's fresh water9, and leading water scientists recently issued a warning that we would need to reduce our consumption of animal protein to a quarter of current levels to feed the estimated global population in 2050.10



[1] Livestock's Long Shadow, Food and Agriculture Organisation of the United Nations (2006)

[2] 2010/2011 consumption based on Australian Bureau of Statistics, Meat and Livestock Australia and National Australia Bank figures

[3] 2010 consumption, Disease and Drought Curb Meat Production and Consumption, Worldwatch Institute (2012)

[4] Livestock's Long Shadow, Food and Agriculture Organisation of the United Nations (2006)

[5] Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations, US Government Accountability Office (GAO) (2008)

[6] Putting Meat on the Table: Industrial Farm Animal Production in America, The PEW Commission on Industrial Farm Animal Production

[7] Tropical Forests Were the Primary Sources of New Agricultural Land in the 1980s and 1990s, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (2010)

[8] Tropical Forests Were the Primary Sources of New Agricultural Land in the 1980s and 1990s, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (2010)

[9] Feeding a Thirsty World: Challenges and opportunities for a water and food secure future, Stockholm International Water Institute (SIWI) (2012)

[10] Feeding a Thirsty World: Challenges and opportunities for a water and food secure future, Stockholm International Water Institute (SIWI) (2012)

From: http://makeitpossible.com/facts/frequently-asked-questions.php#faq20

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Post by Evolution Master on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:31 pm

No kidding...

The over supply of factory farms and the landed needed to supply the animals with crops is biting back at the world.

Also Australians eat that much meat?! My...that's disturbing.

I'm all for a more "green-loving" world as opposed to what happens to so many animals in these cruel farms.. If only animals had a voice.

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Post by Ospreyeagle on Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:26 pm

Disgusting huh? I wish animals could be killed more humanely. Heck, even an axe to the neck would be better than the crap they go through!

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Post by Evolution Master on Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:27 pm

Can't agree more. It's brutal to literally imprison those poor animals in such cruel situations.

Eh...if only those people killing those animals and even eating them in such large amounts could feel the pain of what these animals go through throughout their lives.

It's sad that generations of these animals would have suffered the very same fate as their parents and so on.

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Post by Ospreyeagle on Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:49 pm

Wow... Jo Fredericks paintings are amazing!
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"I never eat anyone I know personally. I wouldn't deliberately eat a grouper any more than I'd eat a cocker spaniel. They're so good-natured, so curious. You know, fish are sensitive, they have personalities, they hurt when they're wounded." — Dr. Sylvia Earle, one of the world's leading marine biologists
"A diet based on animal foods is a primary driving force behind the most serious environmental problems we face: the ongoing extinction of species, rain forest destruction, air and water pollution, loss of water resources, global warming, dependence on foreign oil, proliferation of disease, topsoil loss, drought, forest fires, desertification, habitat destruction, and even war and terrorism. This information is not publicized, however, and our understanding of it is suppressed, because eating animal foods is the elephant in our living room that we all pretend not to see - unrecognised behaviour that destroys our family but is taboo to confront or discuss." - Dr Will Tuttle

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Post by Evolution Master on Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:07 pm

That tombstone is massive though the daunting look is appropriate considering how big of an issue the factory farming and such meat-obtaining methods are.

Indeed, very powerful and is a good visual way of getting the message through.

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